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PostSubject: new to the hobby same old questions   Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:01 am

hey
im new to fish keeping (and i mean realy new)
i woke up this morning and decided this is what i want to do.
but!!!!
i had a few questions:
1: how small is too small? i dont live in a big house and i have young children so a big tank is not advisable
2: salt or fresh water? what are the differences?: is fresh water easer to maintain
3: tank setup? on a budget but i want somthing thats going to work and look nice
4: the big question: FISH variety???? what fish are best to start with. (i dont want goldfish or those sad looking fighting fish you can buy at pet stores)
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:16 am

and i forgot to mention
dont feel as if you have to answer all my questions in one go!
experiance/ opinions on any of these would be helpfull.
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:49 pm

biggreeny_101 wrote:
hey
im new to fish keeping (and i mean realy new)
i woke up this morning and decided this is what i want to do.
but!!!!
i had a few questions:
1: how small is too small? i dont live in a big house and i have young children so a big tank is not advisable
2: salt or fresh water? what are the differences?: is fresh water easer to maintain
3: tank setup? on a budget but i want somthing thats going to work and look nice
4: the big question: FISH variety???? what fish are best to start with. (i dont want goldfish or those sad looking fighting fish you can buy at pet stores)

well welcome to the hobby - I am sure you will enjoy it..

1. The best size as far as tanks are concerned is one that is as big as you have space for and can afford. Bigger tanks are easier to maintain and also give you more options regarding how many and what type of fish you can keep, but ultimately it's down to cost and how much soace you have.

2. I would recommend starting with freshwater. I think a lot of people would love to keep marine fishes, but there is a lot of work and expense involved.

3. Not sure what you mean by tank set-up but hope this helps. There is an article in the Articles section on how to set up a tank and what you need - here's the link for it

http://tropicalfishfanatics.forumsmotion.com/setting-up-an-aquarium-f34/setting-up-a-freshwater-aquarium-t226.htm


4. Fish - there are endless varieties, but before you can have fish you need to have a read on the articles about the fishless cycle - a safe and effective way of preparing the filter for loads of fish. It also prevents you having fish deaths early on in your fishkeeping. Here's the link for that too.

http://tropicalfishfanatics.forumsmotion.com/cycling-and-water-chemistry-f70/fishless-cycle-t227.htm

Hope thios helps, but dont hesitate to ask loads of questiuons - we all have :lol:

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:12 pm

Dont be put off by doing the fishless cycle greeny. It does seem to be a pain but it's not really and once its done you can fully stock your tank and not in dribs and drabs.

Look forward to seeing what tank you get! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:46 pm

biggreeny_101 wrote:
hey
im new to fish keeping (and i mean realy new)
i woke up this morning and decided this is what i want to do.
but!!!!
i had a few questions:
1: how small is too small? i dont live in a big house and i have young children so a big tank is not advisable

If I were you id get as big as you can get otherwise after a while you will wish you had gone bigger! Pick a space for the tank measure it up and get one to fit. As far as im aware 28L is the smallest you should go but that would only be suitable for a Betta or a small pair of fish.

2: salt or fresh water? what are the differences?: is fresh water easer to maintain

Salt water tanks are more expensive and a lot more work to maintain. I however have never had a salt water tank, but I do intend to get a little nano one day Wink. With fresh water they are very easy to look after if you take the time to do water changes etc. As the myth goes the supercalifradgelisticexpialidocious the tank the less problems you will have, smaller tanks can go downhill rapidly if you miss a Water chnge for example.

3: tank setup? on a budget but i want somthing thats going to work and look nice

Cant help you much there Im afraid. What you looking to spend? In my opinion its best to get a tank with an external filter (obviously depends what size tank you get) there are much easier to maintain and clean. You will also need a heater (depends what size tank you get to the watage), gravel, plant/ornaments, water testing kit (VERY IMPORTANT), Fish food, dechlorinator. Personally id check ebay as tanks sell for a fraction of the price new.

4: the big question: FISH variety???? what fish are best to start with. (i dont want goldfish or those sad looking fighting fish you can buy at pet stores)

This is down to your taste, many people say guppys, mollies, platties, neons, danios are the sort of fish you should start with all fairly hardy fish too. But I wouldnt add any fish without doing a fishless cycle as mentioned above.

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:33 am

As the myth goes the supercalifradgelisticexpialidocious the tank the less problems you will have, smaller tanks can go downhill rapidly if you miss a Water chnge for example.

Is this some kind of weird code GD?? :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:21 am

What! I didnt write that!!!
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:02 am

Gd did you write any of that post??? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:12 am

munchycarrot wrote:
Gd did you write any of that post??? scratch

what do you mean?
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:13 am

I think I have solved the problem! Rob did some inventive word replacements in the word censoring system for the forum. GD you meant to write -"The bigger the tank......", but I think you had some inadvertent fingerslip - check your keyboard to see what letters are close by and you will get what I mean!

Hence the rather strange word replacement Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:14 am

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:23 am

just the "Salt water tanks are more expensive and a lot more
work to maintain. I however have never had a salt water tank, but I do
intend to get a little nano one day
Wink" I didn't think that sounded like you, especially with the little wink

as for the word...??? scratch

I'm confused now coz the word clearly wasn't 'bigger' or GD couldn't of typed bugger

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:26 am

No it wasn't bigger, but look at the keyboard and see what letter is next to b!

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:28 am

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OH i see hahaha

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:29 am

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:51 am

sorry, i was laughing at how thick i can be sometimes. i've sat here staring at the keyboard & couldn't figure it out

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:06 am

Well I might as well add my tuppence by enforcing some of the points made above:

(a) go for the biggest tank you can afford and fit comfortably in your home. You'll definitely want more/bigger tanks otherwise.
(b) definitely do the fishless cycle - it takes the same amount of time as cycling with fish but is less work and less traumatic as you're not needlessly subjecting the fish to toxic chemicals
(c) while you're waiting for your tank to be ready, you can properly research the types of fish you'd like and that way, you'll be ready to go instead of having to take whatever the fish shop sells you.
(d) start off in FW to get a feel for the hobby and when you're confident enough, make the leap to Saltwater if it interests you. It's a LOT more work and WAY more expensive though so be aware of that. Wink

Btw, Siamese Fighting Fish have their place but only if kept in the proper conditions which IMO is their own tank of at least 15L with some Otos and Amano Shrimp for company. I have this set up in my kitchen and it's a happy little mini FW community. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:52 pm

damn my finger type what they want Embarassed

but yeah i wrote everything else but the supercalifradgelisticexpialidocious
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:31 pm

arggh!!! the frustration. firstly id like to thank all who have help me with this info. but after all my homework/reading up and talking about this. i come home from work to find a 30lt tank set up with 5 "platties" (my partner decided to surprise me. she ment well). im partialy to blame as i should of gone into more detail with her. all this has come from the local pet shop to my dismay should stick to selling puppys and cats. has sold her a 30lt tank, filter(hang over the side type??), heather, gravel, 1 plant (plastic and very small). and mainly the fish. and forgot the most important thing: a water test kit! ( i can say they did know how to tell the difference between male and female and the recomended ratio) now the damage is done my main qestion is: what do i do know? will this be a disaster??
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:35 pm

and also as a return is out of the question.
and after some more reading up.
a few more questions:

first of all i know i need a test kit asap!

have i got to many fish for the size if my tank?

can i introduce other plants(are plastic ones ok?)/ deco to the tank without a worry.

why is my smallest male only pestering the largest female he has others to annoy?

what signs do i have to look for to tell if im in trouble?
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:49 pm

Well...30L is not big enough for 5 platties i'd say, it's a push.

For starters, until you get a test kit, change ˝ the water every day (making sure the new water is dechlorinated) to keep the ammonia levels from rocketing up (which they will) too quickly & keep an eye on the fish. I would feed them a tiny pinch every other day.
If you want to add decor just make sure it's washed & washed thoroughly.
The tank is too small for the females to get away from the male so you may end up with deaths pretty quickly due to stress & bad water.
I'd seriously ring the pet shop & ask them to take the fish back until the tank is cycled. If they are a decent retailer, they will take them back. You need to walk in & talk loudly with the bag of fish in your hand.
When you get a test kit, post the results here asap & we can see what's going on.

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:25 pm

Well it's a shame that your partner didn't wait until you had all the info but it's a classic beginner mistake - and typical of the bad advice from the LFS. So now that you have the fish, you'd better read this article about Cycling With Fish. If you follow the method outlined, you should be able to get the fish through the cycling process although guppies aren't the hardiest of species so they may not survive. Wink

Btw, if you have a mix of male and female guppies, you'll soon be overrun with fish fry. So either return the females to the LFS (I keep only male guppies) or else plan for LOTS more tanks. :lol:

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:26 pm

ok best to ask a stupid question than to be proved a fool?
what do you mean by "feed every other day"
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:28 pm

so a "platty" is a type of "guppy" (livebearer)
is that right??
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