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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:30 pm

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ok best to ask a stupid question than to be proved a fool?
what do you mean by "feed every other day"

It must be a European saying...:lol:...it means every second day. I still only feed my fish 4 days out of 7 (Mo, We, Fr, Su) as a few days fasting doesn't do them any harm. Plus foraging for missed food keeps them busy on the non-feeding days and keeps the tank substrate cleaner. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:33 pm

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so a "platty" is a type of "guppy" (livebearer) is that right??

No, platties (Xiphophorus sp.) and guppies (Poecilia reticulata) are different species but they are both livebearers (as are swordtails, mollies etc.). It just means that the fish eggs hatch inside the female's body as opposed to species that are egg scatterers (e.g. tetras, barbs) where the fry hatch out in the tank (although the eggs are usually eaten by other fish) or bubble nest builders (gouramis, siamese fighting fish) or mouth brooders (cichlids).

As you can see, there are several different breeding methods but as livebearers mate so frequently, they tend to be the most prolific breeders. On rare occasions, guppies and platties can crossbreed to produce pluppies! :lol:

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:41 pm

thanks mary that info was very helpfull.
as i would prefer not to lose any fish.
surprisingly they are all diferent: colours and manerisims
oh heres another question:
do many enthusiast name there fish? (off the help what do i do now subject)
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:47 pm

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do many enthusiast name there fish? (off the help what do i do now subject)

Oh yes indeed. I've named all my fish apart from the smaller shoaling ones as they all look the same! :lol:

e.g. my SFF is Beau, my Pearl Gouramis are Glitter, Sparkle and Stardust and the Angelfish is Black Pearl to name but a few. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:04 pm

i should actualy change this thred subject to "crash course in fresh water tropical"
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:08 pm

with "platties" are the colours/ patterns determined by specific breeding or just pot luck
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:21 pm

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with "platties" are the colours/ patterns determined by specific breeding or just pot luck

Both, I'd imagine! Although there are specific varieties bred e.g. Wagtail Platies, Mickey Mouse Platies - they have markings near their tail which looks like MM's head as you can see. :lol:


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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:39 pm

Mary wrote:
biggreeny_101 wrote:
with "platties" are the colours/ patterns determined by specific breeding or just pot luck

Both, I'd imagine! Although there are specific varieties bred e.g. Wagtail Platies, Mickey Mouse Platies - they have markings near their tail which looks like MM's head as you can see. :lol:


yes the micky mouse one seems to be one of the most talked about.
but mine are all diferent. colours/ markings
my fav is my little male(thinking about calling him elvis if he survives the first week)
he is orange with a blue+green marking across his body.
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im trying not to get attatched as yet because i have a long way to go!
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:32 am

I started off with two male red/gold platies - Goldie and Orlaith (derived from Ór,the Irish for gold). Only one left now as sadly the other one died after about a year but I still think they're a nice little fish. Diana might have a different view though as her male platy terrorized the tank...:lol:

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:41 am

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30lt tank set up with 5 "platties"

Mary wrote:
although guppies aren't the hardiest of
species so they may not survive

Just a slip of the tongue i think. Mary meant platties crazy

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:05 am

Embarassed Doh, serves me right for speed reading...again!

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:29 pm

hiya biggreeny. Hope you dont mind another newbie making a comment, but I did exactly the same as you - went out and got a tank and fish at the same time (even though I had read all the stuff on here!! No )

Perhaps some of my mistakes will help you keep your fish well.

I bought a 90litre tank, and filled it with a variety of fish - guppies, mollies, plattys and a few neon tetras. They looked great. I took water to the lfs after a week and was told there was minimal ammonia and nothing to worry about. They were wrong!!!

I ended up having loads of fish deaths and almost gave up on a hobby I had only just got into.

What I would do different - read all the articles on here and learn the importance of CLEAN water!!!
Do DAILY water testing as in Marys article Cycling with fish, and daily water changes.
Read and ask questions on here and dont think the people in the lfs know everything - they know NOTHING!
Slow down and be patient.
THINK about what fish you get - I have a tank overun with little babies :lol:

I thought I would get away with ignoring all the advice (how stupid was that!), but all is well now and my water is spot on and the fish are ok. I still have a couple of plattys that dont look as good or lively as the rest of the fish and dont know how they will do, but fingers crossed.

Good Luck with everything
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:49 pm

Good advice, tmag. We all learn from our mistakes and it's great that you got through your initial crisis and can now enjoy your lovely fish tank. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:20 pm

ok im back with more questions!!!

firstly thanks tmag! its good to know im not the only person in this situation.

ok to the questions:
the female i was talking about yesterday seems fatter?(kinda out of proportion and fatter than the rest)
i have done some reading up on this!
but the problem is she is dark blue with a silver underbelly.
(so i cant realy see the "gravid spot").
so the question actualy is: how else can i tell if she is "pregant"
what other signs to look for?
the time frame this cycle takes?

apart from this all else seems fine. and as soon as i get a test kit the results will be posted
( i am doing a 50% water change every night to try and keep chemical levels low)
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:26 pm

If you have livebearers then the chances are you will have pregnant females - they are the fishy equivelant of rabbits!

The signs of pregnant fish - well basically with my plattys and guppys, they just got bigger and then you see little ones swimming around the tank. The main thing to think of is what are you going to do with the fry? Most of them will probably get eaten (unless you take them out of the tank and keep them seperate), but if you have survivoors then they grow and have babies, and so it goes on!

I used to seperate them until they were big enough to take to the lfs, but now I dont have any livebearers so the problem no longer have that problem.

As fopr water changes, get the testing kit as soon as poss as even low chemical readings can affect your fish..

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:51 pm

as for now id agree. i dont want any fry as im pushing the limit as it is.
but as for the test kit im not to sure what brands are reliable in aus??
but the the main things to look for are:
ammonia?
nitrate?
ph levels?
but is there any thing else i should be testing for?
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:55 am

The main ones to test for are Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate. Ph is also handy to know because it can affect what types of fish you can have. The main one recommended over here is the API Masterkit, but whether you have that in Aus I dont know. There will be something similar though.

Steer cleat of the test strip type of testing kit, and look for one which has liquid reagents that you add to a specimen of tank water - they tend to be more accurate.

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:44 am

I have the API testing kit (around Ł15 if your the guy from Oz then hmmm o idea in $) and I also bought the Kh and GH testing kit just coz i wasnted to be able to test the hardness of my water.
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:59 am

i think the basic conversion is about $45-$50 aus dollars????
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:28 pm

Ł15 is about $30Aus according to one page I have just looked on.

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:01 pm

ok! im back!
with some good news!!
firstly no casualtys. secondly i found a very local aqauarium.
and the best news is i have purchased a 250lt (i think is about 75gal) tank and cabnet hood ect
i just finished staining the cabnet and hood. so on sat (my time) will be set up day.
once that is done pics will be posted to show progress.

on a further note i was considering keeping the following fish:
(some depending on experiance)
platties
pleco's
black gost knife
gouramis (will some types be compatible)
and more when i know what i want.

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i am not buying all these fish at once


what are some sugestions on other compatable fish????
oppinions will be much appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:25 pm

Hi again, nice to see you back. Great news on the new tank too Smile

Well the min tank for a black ghost knife fish is about 90 gallons as they can reach 20inches in length so i'd definitely take that off the list.
Plecs, you may be better going for some of the smaller breeds eg. bristlenose or clown plec. Indi will give you better advice in the bottom dwellers section.
Gouramis wil be fine, there are so many different ones so do a lot of reading before you chose which ones.
Obviously platties will breed a lot so you will need to think what you will do when you get overrun with fry.

250L is 54 UK gallons, what are the dimensions of the tank???

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:33 pm

the tank is 4foot long 18in wide and i think aprox 2foot high (im unsure of the height as i cant remember but when i pick it up tomorrow i will mesure to be exact)
sorry about the conversion.
i forget most gal are uk in here. (i work i the hydraulic industry and i do a lot of converting us gal to lts)
wich is about 3.7lts to 1 gal (us).

on the subject of the lfs i found.
the owner seems quite helpfull and knowlagable on the subject and has many years experiance.
he also has some realy nice fish including 2 giant gouramis. (they are literaly bigger than a small dog)
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i do know i wont be keeping anything like that!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:45 pm

With those dimensions you're looking at 339Litres so if you measure it when you get it we can work out exactly the capacity. Also remember to allow for displacement of water with gravel/rocks etc.

Good that you have found a knowledgable LFS, that can be tricky Wink

Keep us posted on how you get on Smile

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PostSubject: Re: new to the hobby same old questions   Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:26 am

Hiya Greeny, good to hear from you again. If you are looking at what type of fish to get, but dont want to be over run with fry then avoid, plattys, guppy's etc.

There are plenty of other fish - Rasboras, Neon tetras, Cherry barbs (lay eggs but the usually get eaten before hatching) that will look great in a big tank and dont give you the problem of having to look after and find homes for babies.

Look forward to seeing pics of your new tank Very Happy

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