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PostSubject: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:42 pm

Hiya again. Sorry to bug you all with more questions but I am real worried about my fish now.

I am treating for ich and fin rot since Sunday. Have lost 2 plattys and avent seen any of the fry so think they have all died to.

all of the fish look ill and are still staying at the top of the water - I think I am going to lose them all the way things are going. The Angel fish fins look about the same. 2 more fish have white spots on them yesterday

Water test today ammonia 0.5 Nitrite 0.5. I cant do a water change because of the treatment s.

The fish look real bad - anything else I can do to make them better?
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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:03 pm

You need to waterchange - regardless of treatments. The ammonia and nitrite is worse than doing without the meds.

Add more oxygen (use an air stone and make sure the filter outlet breaks the water surface - if you already do this add an extra airpump) and raise the temp to 30degC to treat the whitespot and do 50% water change daily until readings are at 0.

I have treated whitespot this way with no meds whatsoever.
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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:32 pm

It's hard to treat and sort out poor water quality too Bob, but the Ammonia and Nitrite will be causing yor fish extra stress.

One thing you can do is do say a 50% water change. This obviously will remove 50% of the meds you have added too, so add that amount of meds to the tank as an extra (does that make sense?).

I have never had to treat fish for ich, but have read that people do this when they have to do a water change so it will keep up the concentration of meds but also give the fish decent water.

Hope that helps.

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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:44 pm

good luck bob just keep up with the water changers.




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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:35 pm

Bob - where do you live?

Im asking because different ich treatments work better in different parts ofd the country than others - basically this is due to the chemical composition of the water and the ingredients of the treatment.

If one brand of treatment isnt working (you should be seeing improvement after 4 days) try another brand - if you can find it - sera is excellent stuuf (cant remember the name of the drug but sera is the maker).

I dont want to sound rude here - but everything weve already suggested in the other thread still applies - and I did warn you to expect losses.

Hopefully you wont lose all the fish - but just in case this does happen - may I sugest reading throught the site (and or the wider tinterweb) and reading up abot the fishless cycle

I still feel really bad for you on all this and my offer to send you healthy filter media still stands (but will have to either post it tomorrow or next week)
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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 pm

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Bob - where do you live?

Live in York Rich.

Im asking because different ich treatments work better in different parts ofd the country than others - basically this is due to the chemical composition of the water and the ingredients of the treatment.

If one brand of treatment isnt working (you should be seeing improvement after 4 days) try another brand - if you can find it - sera is excellent stuuf (cant remember the name of the drug but sera is the maker).

I dont want to sound rude here - but everything weve already suggested in the other thread still applies - and I did warn you to expect losses.

I know, was just checking I was doing everything ok.

Hopefully you wont lose all the fish - but just in case this does happen - may I sugest reading throught the site (and or the wider tinterweb) and reading up abot the fishless cycle

I have read all that but would have thought that my tank would have been finished with all that, it's been set up for 3 months?

I still feel really bad for you on all this and my offer to send you healthy filter media still stands (but will have to either post it tomorrow or next week)

Thanks for the offer Rich, and for all the advice. I have got some media from my local fish store yesterday and added it to mine so that might help with things.
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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:55 pm

All you can do Bob is just what you are doing really - it's upsetting to lose fish from illness, and to have the added complication of poor water quality doesn't help.

As mentioned earlier, when this is all over, and you have finished the treatment for ich and fin rot you have to sort out your stocking - the clown loaches and the angel need a bigger tank for example.

For now though, concentrate on getting the treatments done and then we will help you decide on what fish to have etc.

Dont hesitate to come back with any questions you have Bill.

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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:26 am

hey bob! good to see your asking all the questions. i did too!

i made the mistake about buying a tank and fish straight away too but got onto the cycle thing alot quicker though.

one thing you may want to consider though is because the fish have been exposed to high levels of amonia nitrites and nitrates once evrything is cycled you fish may get whats called "new tank syndrome"

hope all goes well and this doesnt disharten you to the point of giving up.
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PostSubject: Re: Losing Fish   Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:35 am

sorry youre having such trouble Bob, hope it all sorts out and the ich goes soon. You will always get the help you need from the people on here so keep askoing when you need to.
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