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PostSubject: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:57 pm

Thought I would do a step by step Guide so you can see how I am setting up my New Marine tank
From start to finish, Or As not to do it as the case maybe..
As I know you will ask as you are Nosey Buggers..
Then You Can Learn by My Mistakes.. Rolling Eyes

First I got my Interpet 50 94ltr's
comes with stand, heater,2 pumps,filter and media,2 strip lights,.l.e.d lights
for night time.
I don't want the blue back as it goes a right mess...
So bought some plastic egg crete and lump of Marine Lava,
Malc smashed the lava up into small bits and sticking it on to the egg crete,with Aqua sealent.
to use as background in the tank.
I have a small peice of egg crete left so i will put this on the bottom of the tank
to stand a New peice of live rock on, so not to scratch the tank bottom.

What I am thinking of doing is..
about wednesday when the glue on the background has dried,
pull the small orca out of the alchove to the side of fire,
take out 2 buckets of water,add 2 buckets of salt water back and leave it running,

set up the new tank in alchove,and put the water in there along with about 1/2 tank of new salt water.
and the new live rock, set it going,watch for all the creepy crawlies coming out.
any no,no,s try and get out.

during the week add Marine sand, and a couple of live rocks out of the small one
do the Rock/Frag swap Each day,and a bucket water change out of the small one,which I will put in the new tank.come next weekend I Will put the old media out of the small tank into the new one
test Everything and fingers and fins crossed All may be ok to go......
add Shrimp and c.u.c. first watch if all ok add Nemo and Marmalade..

Depending on how things go I will see if I need a skimmer,and powerhead..
Its going to be a Loooooong week.


ok heres the first pic's.....









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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:23 pm

chez, I am a complete newbie to fish so this is great of you to do this and show us how you are doing things.

Hope you dont mind some questions? The background you are doing for the tank - do you have to do this for Marines? On my 100litre tropical I just have some blue paper stuck on the outside of the tank at the back, but this is just waydifferent. What are the advantages?

What is a skimmer and powerhead?
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:19 pm

Great idea this chez, and thanks for taking the time. It will be great to see how things progress, and a real learning curve for the rest of us.

To add to the questions above - is there a reason why you are not just putting the sand in first - you say uo are going to put the new live rock onto a plastic thingy to stop it scratching the bottom of the tank - can't you put some sand in and just put the live rock on top or is there a reason why that is not done?

I see your OH is going to be busy for the next few hours - I hope he is a patient man Smile

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:55 pm

How marvellous. I shall live vicariously through your experience, chez. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:00 pm

yes we are all watching with baited breath as soon as you get it running we will all be running to our lfs for a setup.




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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:02 pm

Thanks Guys....
Now you are all going to learn as what NOT TO DO...lol

The back ground .B.B is not necessary at all as the tank is already blue
or come with black, plastic as behind that is all the heater ect.
I Will put a pic up of the inside when i set it up before water goes in..
but pic's of marine tanks i've seen they go horrid with the salt and algae
this small orca has.
so its really what I Want, I Saw it done once on a marine forum in a nano and it looked really nice.
It will also collect bacteria this is good I guess.
and I wont be able to see it as much as if it was just on the blue back.
air can still flow round it and through it.

putting sand in first will get any nasties hinding in it,

so if its empty I may be able to see them better.with tweezers at the ready lol

The skimmer takes away the the froth and proteins off the top of the water
like when you see the scum in the sea caused with salt...
but in the small orca I Have now and the water changes its not really needed
its been running for 2 yrs according to last owner with no problems,
so not needing in the small orca/nano. I suppose its up to you if you want one or not.
I Think I May need one in the new tank.

The power head is like a wave maker.for corals,
so they can catch food floating in the water,
now the small orca has one in
I Dont know if to get one for the new tank as it has 2 pumps you can direct in the water
so will see how much movement there is in the new one when up and running.

Don't forget your Live rock/Larva is filtration in a Marine.
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:09 pm

I'm impressed, chez. It sounds like you really did your research on this. I bought two books on Marine Aquariums and that's as far as I got - haven't read either of them yet. Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:36 pm

dekker wrote:
yes we are all watching with baited breath as soon as you get it running we will all be running to our lfs for a setup.




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l@@k on ebay Dekker the orca is up on sale Smile
should you want it I will leave the live rock in lol
go on you know you want to... lol!
and the water wont have even gone down a degree as will deliver..
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:37 am

Fantastic thread this chez. I am really looking forward to the next instalment Smile

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:51 am

Hi chez,i have seen pic of tanks with plastic pips on the bottom of the tank,and tanks with holes in bottom for pips to go through what is this for. dunno
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:04 am

i'd love a marine setup chez but i just dont have the first idea on them maybe next year.
what's the next step. and what you going to stock in there.



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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:20 am

Acer the holes drilled in the bottom of tanks is for external pumps/sumps
for marine you put rubble and live rock in there for water to filter through
then goes back into your tank all clean.
the same as a internal one I guess in a way. But bigger and better....
Like the External its easier to go in cupboard and clean, than disturbing your tank.
and some of the Massive Marines tanks I Guess this is a much better easier way.
as they add there top up water in the sump first.so it goes through the rocks and filtered before going in the tank.some use small glass tanks as sumps..

Dekker i'm same..
dunno lol.
I have done alot of surfing and reading ages ago when I was toying with the idea.
but then I woke up.lol


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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:47 am

I Am going to keep whats in there for now
only I Think the clown's are paired.lol
one is changing into a female as its getting Bigger,or maybe that is going to dominate the other.lol
If i put another in there if this is what's happening the clown's can get aggressive.
so time will tell.
funny little things these.. busy darting about all day then as soon as I Put the .l.e.d.lights on
and switch the main one off they go in the top corner where the spray bar in
as rest on that like a budgie on a perch.lol
and thats where they stay till morning, apparently, thats where they feel safe.
I thought one was dead but they can sleep on there sides..so funny watching them
well they are not called clown's for nothing...
but to be honest I would only put a couple of small fish in anyway.
The flipping shrimp needs a tank to itself with all its legs and hands.lol
Plus I don't want to rock the boat as yet.these all get on ok.
I Will have a read up on what I can have with the clowns for future reference.
I Like the pale purple one.
To be honest I Like all the different Frags,so a tank full of them will do me. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:11 am

Do you need to use sumps and live rock to filter the water,or can you use a normal ext pumps,and can i have a marine tank with just fish or do i have to have live rock live plants etc,you have started it now,LFS hear i come. yay
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:22 am

Yes you need the live rock I need about 10 klo for this 94ltr.
its filtration as well.
I have some coral's/frags in mine, it's to keep it like it should be for them
in there habitat.
you also need to buy R.O water and Salt water for your water changes.
from your L.F.S

the sump is just another means of filtering your water
you dont have internal ones with the cotton in.
in nano's the whole 3 chambers are in the back, filter/heater.
but some put live rock rubble in there.mine has come with
black sponge,ceramics,white fine polishing pad.and carbon.
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:44 am

OMG. It's an epidemic!! Shocked

I want another tank!! tantrum

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:47 am

How much did the 10 klo of live rock cost,Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:12 am

You've just been dying to use that new tantrum smilie, haven't you, Diana? lol!

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:04 pm

Acer its 11-13 a kilo.
so for this size tank about 100
but you can advitise and maybe get some local off another fish keeper
or someone maybe breking a tank up, who will sell it 1/2 the price
for a nano tank you need say about 50 worth, the more live rock the better.
Live rock is porous rock
which has been in the sea long enough to have bacteria in it.
This will conduct the nitrogen cycle in your tank


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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:55 pm

here's a couple of photos of the tank on its stand. its 4ft tall.
and the second pic is in side the tank at the back the weir where everything goes
media and heater where the water is filtered.
off today to collect Sand,Salt and R.O water,and price some live rock up.
Malc will have finished the lava backing today,so this needs a couple of days to dry.
the tank isan't staying in the window.
I'm running out of free space.lol
Sold the 4ft Juwel what is in the kitchen,just waiting to deliver it, tomorrow.
then I get my kitchen space back.



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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:33 pm

Mary wrote:
You've just been dying to use that new tantrum smilie, haven't you, Diana? lol!

I have. It's good isn't it? tantrum laughing

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:36 pm

By the way chez, you say you have to see if there are any 'creepy crawlies' in the live rock. What sort of things would they be and are they harmful or beneficial?

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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:23 pm

some goodie some baddies.
you will get bristle worms in the rock these are goodies
although not very nice to look at horrid looking creatures
there like scavengers, only come out at night.
some get rid of them some keep them.
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Baddies, aiptasia these are brown and clear see through type nasties.
you need tweezers to remove these.off the liverock.
I think if left they can damage your Anemone.
Peppermint shrimp.eats these apparently but only if there hungry



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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:27 am

Update
just collected the R.O Water and Salt water for the new tank.
And a peice of live rock.the rock was 23.50.
and as Malc was paying I got a power head too 29.99
I have decided to get the Skimmer next time we go out,
If I'm starting up a new tank might as well do it right..
I thought the live rock was small when we got it but its deceving, its quite big.
below is a pic of it.
I Have had to prop it in the corner of the right hand side of the tank for now.
as its the only place with not much there, don't want to crush my frags.

checked salt stats with hydrometer and nothing has changed with putting the rock in.
but will check all tonight.just to be sure,adding it hasan't altered the stats.



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PostSubject: Re: MARINE TANK DIARY   Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:48 am

wow brilliant pics chez and a very good and useful article you are doing here lots of info for everyone how follows you into marines.




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